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Date: Sat, 18 Jun 94 22:12 MET DST
From: chris@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de (Christian Nieber)
To: gem-list@world.std.com
Subject: Re: Digested Replies
Precedence: bulk
Hi Mike,
> > Ctrl-A = Deselect marked (all), i.e. "Abandon" selection
> > Shift-Ctrl-A = Select all
> I support this method. I think T. Miller also supports it. That makes
> three. Anyone else?
As has been pointed out, the risk of data loss can be avoided. But even if
there were something to this, changing shortcuts that are used by virtually
every program on the ATARI and even on other platforms is simply out of the
question. Most programmers just won't do it. Also remember that many app-
lications on the ATARI are no longer supported, but still used, so dramatic
changes like this will probably end with 50% of the used applications using
the old way, the other 50% the new way. Don't do that. This also applies to
CONTRL-U. An existing well-established standard, even if not perfectly
designed, is better than different competing standards.
Andre,
> > > CTRL I - Show Info
> > > In text oriented applications I prefer CTRL-I italic
>Hmm, how about suggesting the use of Alt-I, Alt-B, Alt-U, etc for Italic,
>Bold, Underline etc. That way, application-specific things like this won't
>get in the way of general stuff.
I suggested that not only because of papyrus, but because I'm used to it
from the NeXT. Besides I see no problem with apps using the more special
shortcuts for functions that don't apply to them for something else (see
NeXT Guidelines)
> > > In Dialog Boxes
> > > ---------------
> > > Undo - Cancel, Abort, etc...
> > Problematic when applications use modeless dialogs. Does Undo mean
> > "undo the last thing I did to my document" or "Cancel the dialog"?
>
> Depends on whether the dialog window is currenty topped, I guess. Undo
> should always operate on the currently topped window, using whatever
> operation is appropriate for that window.
In practically all GUI apps I have seen Undo (while not in a modal dialog)
takes back the last change done to a document, even if one has switched to
a different window. This is also what Apple's Human Interface Guidelines
say. I think it's dangerous to make it have a different meaning depending
on wheter a dialog is topped or not. It doesn't affect the meaning of any
other menu commands except 'close window'.
Christian (R.O.M. logicware)